nomonkeybusiness.org

a no-nonsense clearing in
the personal finance jungle

By whom

Stuart Fowler - professional investor and finance author

For whom

Anyone trying to sort sense from nonsense in a seriously conflicted financial services industry

Business connections

Wealth Management

Wealth management & planning for individuals

Workshops

Workshops for individuals and employee groups

Book

No Monkey Business: what Investors need to know and why

(FT Prentice Hall 2002)

email Stuart Fowler

Home » Archives » February 2005 » With-profits for the Sandler Suite: no way For grown-up consumers

[Previous entry: "Asset wars #1: Who's telling the truth about equity risk? For grown-up consumers"] [Next entry: "Updated index for: With-profits"]

02/26/2005: "With-profits for the Sandler Suite: no way For grown-up consumers"


Malcolm Berryman, Chief Executive of Liverpool Victoria, makes a plea in the FT today for including with-profits in the 'Sandler Suite' of products that can be sold to the public with lighter regulation (because their simplicity, clarity and low cost greatly reduce the risks the customer will buy a pig in a poke). In seeking to differentiate Liverpool & Victoria from other with-profits providers who have much lower reserves and very little equity-backing (quite fairly), he makes the strongest case of all against a with-profits fund: the customer's selection risk needs to be diversified.

A necessary condition of the Sandler product concept is that the risk in selecting one or other provider does not need diversifying. Sandler's concept is of a true commodity product, where there is no agency risk and customers are essentially indifferent to owning one of a type instead of several. Funds that track the systematic return of an asset class and are structured as 'bear trusts', with no exposure to the financial distress of the provider, are commodity products. Diversification by provider is not necessary.

With-profits are the very opposite: the exposure to the financial strength of the provider operates at many levels, all in an unpredictable way: asset mix, enforceability of guarantees, active-management risk and the impact of marketing and operating costs on policyholder returns. If you're not sure about the requirement to diversify these risks, ask anyone who was entirely dependent on Equitable Life's with-profits contracts.

There are many other necessary conditions for lightly regulated products, covered in the topic index under 'with-profits', 'low-risk products' and 'regulation'. With-profits also fails these.

Home
Archives

Topical Index:

Items are colour-coded:
For Kids Kids’ stuff
For Consumers For grown-up consumers
For Professionals Mainly for professionals
Showing Off Showing off

Monkey tricks
With-profits
Endowments
Precipice bonds
Commissions
Cost wedge

Investment sense and nonsense
Active v tracking
Accountants v actuaries
Low risk products
Asset allocation
Money illusion
Property myths
Equity returns
Pensions
Alternative investments

Making monkeys of ourselves
Personal responsibility
Streetwise finance
Kids' stuff

Public policy sense and nonsense
Regulations
Competition policy

<>February 2005
SMTWTFS
  12345
6789101112
13141516171819
20212223242526
2728     

Powered By Greymatter

External Links:

FSA consumer help
Investors Association forum
FT Your Money portal
The Motley Fool
ABI pension calculator
Pension glossary
Index of economics blogs
House Price Crash blog